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Hi all Bros , currently i have a RG in my 5 footer and am thinking to add another.

Do you think it will be ok ? its a FOWLR tank .

Definitely! Your tank is very big. You should give it a try and update us the result.

for the male or female species, is there a easier way to tell them apart? Thanks.

The only tell-tale signs are males are larger in size, and brighter in colours.

There is another difference observed by a breeder that the ventral fins on the males are longer and do not have a sharp point while the female RG have shorter that ended in a sharp point. However this observation is not written in any literature and as such may not be fully credible but still it can be an interesting trait to consider while looking for a male royal gramma.

Do update here if u or anybody else manage to find a male-female pair and verify if the above observation is true.

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Anyone has a Royal Gamma in a 3ft together with a black cap?

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I have kept both but not together. From my experience royal gramma is a more dominant and bolder fish than black cap.

So if putting them in the same tank would be a problem, the black cap will likely be the suffering party.

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Anyone has a Royal Gamma in a 3ft together with a black cap?

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Yes, you can.. better success rate if proper QT before introduce to main tank. Also not suggested for new system because of stress level increase due to water stability. Add more hiding place will help to reduce aggressiveness.

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thanks I think I'll try to add the black cap first before the royal gamma :)

That will be a better sequence.

Blackcap are rarer and more expensive. So if u were to risk losing one it will be the royal gramma than the blackcap.

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A very nice and underrated fish. Able to hold its own and yet get it's breakfast and dinner. Oso able to showcase its colors at the main tank face. Overall I give it a 7/10 :)

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A decade or so back, I started a study of Gramma "loreto", as it seemed there were multiple species involved. Unfortunately that study has languished on the backburner, and it seems unlikely I will be able to get back to it in the near future. In a nutshell, it seems real G. loreto (from Cuba) is a mostly yellow fish, with purple restricted to the head area. Aside from coloration, there are scale count and some morphometric differences between that form and the one more usually identified as G. loreto.

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Definitely! Your tank is very big. You should give it a try and update us the result. The only tell-tale signs are males are larger in size, and brighter in colours. There is another difference observed by a breeder that the ventral fins on the males are longer and do not have a sharp point while the female RG have shorter that ended in a sharp point. However this observation is not written in any literature and as such may not be fully credible but still it can be an interesting trait to consider while looking for a male royal gramma. Do update here if u or anybody else manage to find a male-female pair and verify if the above observation is true.
I have a mating pair in my tank. But dun know why one fish has some of its purple scales becomes white. Will try to take a pic. Really need strong eye power to differentiate the ventral fins difference. Not sure if it's the male or female tat builds the nest. Tat fellow will pick up algae and all sorts of debris to block up the nest. I got some of my seafans(I frag them and place every where in the tank to see which type of water flow the seafans prefer) which I glued to rocks but later found they end up at the nest. Will post pic tonite.

Tank size:36"x36"x24"

Return pump" 2x Reef Octo 5000

Skimmer:BK Double Cone 200 on Reef Octopus DC 5500s.

Wavemaker:2xVortech MP40wES

Chemical filtration:1xeducator FR(biopellets)

Chiller:1hp Daikin compressor.

Lighting:2 x Kessil A360we

Auto topup system: JBJ ATO + new jet 1200

Dosing system: Kamoer 3 channel.

Additives: ESV 2 part.

Power consumption

2XReef Octo 5000: 120watts

BK skimmer:50watts

2xVortech wavemaker:70watts

Daikin compressor:775watts

Lighting:180watts

Ato system:21watts

Exhaust fans:16watts

Refugium light:27watts

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This is supposed to be a male. f71f713e6f7c4afb9234d4a438aa0780_zps86be Cos it builds the nest and according to articles I read. 3fd1b584757681b50e09f0bf9425b566_zps8326 Supposed to be female. fd4e6876bd176829af635a40be7207a9_zpsd768

Tank size:36"x36"x24"

Return pump" 2x Reef Octo 5000

Skimmer:BK Double Cone 200 on Reef Octopus DC 5500s.

Wavemaker:2xVortech MP40wES

Chemical filtration:1xeducator FR(biopellets)

Chiller:1hp Daikin compressor.

Lighting:2 x Kessil A360we

Auto topup system: JBJ ATO + new jet 1200

Dosing system: Kamoer 3 channel.

Additives: ESV 2 part.

Power consumption

2XReef Octo 5000: 120watts

BK skimmer:50watts

2xVortech wavemaker:70watts

Daikin compressor:775watts

Lighting:180watts

Ato system:21watts

Exhaust fans:16watts

Refugium light:27watts

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Interesting read. Any more update

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Yes, one of the underrated fish.

Display Tank : 36" x 20" x 20" Herbie overflow box design, Sump : 36" x 21" x 17", Frag Tank : 16” x 20” x 16”, custom built by Tank Culture.

Lightings : Ecotech  Radion XR15 Pro x 2 for Main Display Tank, Inled R80 x 1 for Frag Tank.

Chiller : Dalkin 1hp compressor with build-in drop coil.

Skimmer : Skimz Octa SC205i Protein Skimmer.

FR : H2Ocean FMR75 Fluidised Media Reactor with Hailea HX-2500 (Feeder Pump) running Rowaphos.

CR : Skimz Monzter E Series CM122 Calcium Reactor.

BPR: Marine Source Biopellet  Reactor with Continuum Reef Biopellet Fuel. 

Main Return Pump : SICCE Syncra ADV 9.0 & Jebao ACQ-10000 Water Pump.

Wavemaker : Jebao MOW-9 x2 for Main Display Tank & Jebao SLW-20M  Sine Wave Pump for  Frag Tank.

Water Top Up: AutoAqua Smart ATO Lite.

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Enjoying my read about royal gramma. Certainly did not regret getting one! Would like to understand the average lifespan of royal gramma in captivity. Anyone have been keeping for more than 2 years?
one gamma of mine has been wif me from at least 2004 till now.
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Tank size:36"x36"x24"

Return pump" 2x Reef Octo 5000

Skimmer:BK Double Cone 200 on Reef Octopus DC 5500s.

Wavemaker:2xVortech MP40wES

Chemical filtration:1xeducator FR(biopellets)

Chiller:1hp Daikin compressor.

Lighting:2 x Kessil A360we

Auto topup system: JBJ ATO + new jet 1200

Dosing system: Kamoer 3 channel.

Additives: ESV 2 part.

Power consumption

2XReef Octo 5000: 120watts

BK skimmer:50watts

2xVortech wavemaker:70watts

Daikin compressor:775watts

Lighting:180watts

Ato system:21watts

Exhaust fans:16watts

Refugium light:27watts

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The amount of yellow on a royal gramma is highly variable. And how much yellow differs by the geographical location where it is found.

Here are a few examples.

Common coloration, the only ones we are getting here in singapore. Shown below is a Belize specimen.

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With slightly more yellow. Nassau Bahamas.

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And now with a lot more yellow. Grand Cayman. These Grand Cayman variant are gorgeous but sadly not collected for the trade.

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Grand Cayman looks real beautiful

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