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    Vinegar Dosing

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    I think you could continue dosing, but if you choose to stop you need to monitor if your nitrates go back up.

    Could be that the tank just produces too much nitrates and you need a constant source of carbon to keep it at manageable levels.

    If u get the desire No3...the dosing stops or continue?


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    Vinegar Dosing

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    Ya I am dosing vinegar as well, for the first week I started with 1 ml for my 20 gallon for the first two days. Then 2ml for the 3 and 4 day, then 4ml for the next 3 days. Now I'm dosing 5 ml a day

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    I am planning to ramp up 1 ml a week until I hit 10 ml or start seeing bacterial blooms. The forum I think they mentioned they start having adverse effects until .5 ml per gallon which would translate to 10ml for my 20 gallon.

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    Vinegar Dosing

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    I have read them before actually. (The first few page and the last few) didnt go through too indepth. 
    I feel dosing according to the table is slightly safer. Didnt really want to push the limit. Are you dosing vinegar too? Able to share the regime?
    Ya I am dosing vinegar as well, for the first week I started with 1 ml for my 20 gallon for the first two days. Then 2ml for the 3 and 4 day, then 4ml for the next 3 days. Now I'm dosing 5 ml a day

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    Vinegar Dosing

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    I used to place GFO but remove them after much reading and so on .
    Maybe too much livestock is the issues.
    1 x powder blue
    9 x black clowns
    6 x blue eye anthias 
    4 x damsels
    6 x green chromis
    1 x algae blenny
    What's your tank size? Might be a lot or not depending on your tank plus filtration in place.

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    Vinegar Dosing

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    Vinegar Dosing

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    Ya I do agree about the part of chasing number, cause it's a guide line and there are many factors affecting the efficacy; available phosphates, protein skimmer, net nutrients available.

    Please do read up more about it online and from other forums where many members use it like reefcentral.

    For me. Changing water, usually shock my tank as my fish / coral appeared adversely towards it every time i change.
     
    I feel the time + salt + water + effort to change water is not worth it. I prefer the dosing / nutrient export / refugium route even thou it cost more money (debatable) but I prefer to enjoy the hobby admiring it rather than being a slave to it every fortnight.
     
    But to each its own, of course. Everyone might feel differently on the each approach.
     
    I think is not wise to chase number, but to chase for stability instead.
     
     
     


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    Vinegar Dosing

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    Hi, I think there are many reasons why results may differ, chief among them might be nutrients in Vs nutrients out, perhaps you might have more sources of nutrients (fish waste and food) than I do?

    If it helps, I do use activated carbon which has a lot of surface area for the bacteria that consumes vinegar and I use seachem matrix - which is purported to have vast surface area - as my biofiltration.

    Lastly, I also set my protein skimmers to wet skim.

    The bacteria also need phosphates to multiply, therefore. If you are running gfo to remove phosphates, that might be a limiting factor as the bacteria need a small amount of phosphates to consume the nitrates.

    That is why I would like to seek Thread starter advise as in how he did it ( From 50ppm -- 5ppm) in about 1 week by using Vinegar dosing.
    I have been using the table accordingly but so far no results for me


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    Vinegar Dosing

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    50ppm NO3 ???
    You might want to consider larger/more frequent water changes. In my experience, it’s always better to eliminate unwanted stuff by diluting via water change rather than adding another chemical to your closed system. Just my opinion though.


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    I understand your concern, and I do agree water changes are a good practice, more importantly cause they add trace elements, but I've found in my 5 years of weekly 10-20 percent water changes my nitrates still remain at 50 ppm.

    I also acknowledge why you might think adding foreign substances to a tank is not ideal but the science behind vinegar (or other source of carbon) dosing is quite natural.

    The addition of vinegar or any source of carbon stimulates the growth of bacteria that eats up phosphates and nitrates, these bacteria are then eaten up by filter feeders or corals OR skimmed out by the protein skimmer.

    Our reef tanks do not have enough available carbon sources to spur enough growth of bacteria to take up a substantial amount of nitrates and phosphates, thus the addition of vinegar. Other sources also include biopellets, vodka and sugar, all of which have some drawback which is why I chose vinegar.




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    Vinegar Dosing

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    Add 0 to your .15. ltr they dose 15ml per gallon, GG. 
    Rule of thumb is dose slow, my tank has a total volume of 1000L, i started with 8ml, then 16ml then slowly increase. Once see white film, slow down again. Do note vinegar will reduce PH. 
    Reefers can refer to the pic below, this is based on 5% acetic acid. if higher concentration, divide/multiply accordingly. 
    https://www.google.com.sg/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjc16mjh-bbAhWFt1kKHdaDDFIQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3reef.com%2Fthreads%2Fquick-about-vinegar-dosing.137304%2F&psig=AOvVaw2xPWJnrHeMo82odc8_GY4V&ust=1529715184396098
    You mean 15 ml per 100 gallon? I don't think that's alot.

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    Vinegar Dosing

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    If brand is not the issue....China brand also ok?
    Should be ok, but I generally stay away from China brands cause they not very famous for their food quality. Haha. Anyways even for the premium brand Heinz, distilled vinegar is dirt cheap.

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    Vinegar Dosing

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    What brand of Vinegar are you using? Care to share? Are you following the attachment on amount of dosage?
    Vinegar dosing.xlsx
    I use Heinz, but really any brand will do as long as it is distilled and no flavouring. Certainly not the black colored chinese kind.

    The dosage I use is from a forum I read on reefcentral. Basically they recommend starting with .15 ml dose per gallon daily and doubling that the following week, observe your tank algae growth, signs of bacterial bloom and nitrates as a guide to whether you are over dosing.

    There's one guy on that forum that said he reached .45 ml per gallon before he started seeing adverse effects which recovered after he decreased dosage so I would advise stopping around that dosage or lesser.

    Right now as it is my second week I have been dosing around .26 per gallon, being a bit more prudent as it is better to under dose than vice versa.

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    Vinegar Dosing

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    Make pardon.. I mean how long you use the vineger??


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    Hi bro, I have used vinegar for one week, I don't run chaeto,

    My filtration consists of two piece of rocks and 3 inch sandbed in my display, a small protein skimmer, canister filter with biomedia, and a HOB filter with biomedia and carbon.



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    Vinegar Dosing

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    Hi guys, I'd just like to share with everyone an experience.
     
    I started vinegar dosing just last week, and I am so impressed by the results. The algae in my tank has been disappearing, my protein skimmer has started pulling out much more gunk, and my nitrates have dropped from 50ppm to less than 5.
     
    In my previous setups I've tried a sump full of liverock, refugium mud, growing macroalgae in a sump, an extremely oversized skimmer, biopellets, dosing bacteria, very prudent feeding, manual removal of nuisance algae, etc. All of which costed me hundreds to perhaps a thousand dollars and so much work but I was still unable to keep nitrates and nuisance algae down.
     
    What impressed me the most is that a simple dosing of a $2 bottle of distilled vinegar that will last me months could get me the results I previously tried so hard to get.
     
    So, just wanted to share my experience here to see if anyone else could benefit from it.
     
    That being said, if you haven't read up about vinegar dosing, don't just anyhow add and make sure you read up to determine proper dosages.
     
     
     
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