Achilles Tang Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Guys guys... you're all falling for the 'my skimmer is bigger than your skimmer' argument again.... you guys suck vs my beckett skimmer!! joking!! This is Riot's thread on choosing his skimmer.... not for us to debate skimmers...! Seriously, BK, beckett, H&S, ER... all are foaming monsters... flow thru or recirculating... both require different designs... to quote Frank Marini of RC... steve- let me also provide two schols of thought in desgining effciient skimmers. 1) - is slow flow thru w/ long contact time. In this scenario you get taller skimmers w/ slower pump, longer contact times of th ewateer and air. These tend to be very efficient in removing organics but process much less water due to th longer dwell time in th skimmer. the other school is processin power. You can have shorter contact time and be less effcient in your skimming if you can skimmer larger volumes of water. case in point if you move say 5-7x more water/unit time, yet are only 30% efficient, then in the same amoun fo time it take a 50% skimmer to porcess 1x the volume your can accomplish better if not the ame amount of skimming. Thats the concept when we designed the bullet skimmers. We knew minimal contact time w/ a short skimmer, high water movement, so we ensured we had maximal air incorporation(thats why we used the beckett). Now the beckett comes w/ a price; electricity usage is high becuase it requires a powerful dedicated pump to drive it correctly. They are also noiser skimmers and ones that require more frequently cleaning as they tend to dirty quicker (primarily because they work well). If you want a quiet efficient skimmer that uses less electricity consider one of these aspriating skimmer (like deltec, euroreefs etc) or a tall airstone driven skimmer. In the end both methods work well,its just a philosophy difference Once I mod my twin beckett skimmer for recirculating mode... I'm sure it'll beat every $XXXX german brand skimmers out there! And once my mod is complete... I can switch between both modes easily by turning a few valves... one week super high turnover (typical beckett), next week slower but finer skimming (typical needlewheel style). Muhahahahaha!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member alanseah Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 You going to miss me? ohhh... so sweet! dont worry... I will miss you but the attitude sucks SRC which you claim.. will the other ppl in there miss you I cant control... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Tang Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 *Ding Ding Ding* - TIME OUT! Gentlemen, break apart and cool off. Keep the atmosphere here free of strong emotions and personal insults.... debate is fine as long as it catches defish. Just keep it intellectual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member alanseah Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 *Ding Ding Ding* - TIME OUT! Gentlemen, break apart and cool off. Keep the atmosphere here free of strong emotions and personal insults.... debate is fine as long as it catches defish. Just keep it intellectual. O AT what have we did.... we did nothing... we just chit chat and get to know each other more... and just realise we got reefer here who dont like SRC and yet just come in and create trouble only.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member AlfaRomeo Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 Guys guys... you're all falling for the 'my skimmer is bigger than your skimmer' argument again.... you guys suck vs my beckett skimmer!! joking!! This is Riot's thread on choosing his skimmer.... not for us to debate skimmers...! Seriously, BK, beckett, H&S, ER... all are foaming monsters... flow thru or recirculating... both require different designs... to quote Frank Marini of RC... Once I mod my twin beckett skimmer for recirculating mode... I'm sure it'll beat every $XXXX german brand skimmers out there! And once my mod is complete... I can switch between both modes easily by turning a few valves... one week super high turnover (typical beckett), next week slower but finer skimming (typical needlewheel style). Muhahahahaha!!! When u going to unveil your master skimmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member AlfaRomeo Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 O AT what have we did.... we did nothing... we just chit chat and get to know each other more... and just realise we got reefer here who dont like SRC and yet just come in and create trouble only.. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Tang Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 O AT what have we did.... we did nothing... we just chit chat and get to know each other more... and just realise we got reefer here who dont like SRC and yet just come in and create trouble only.. You guys in this thread are not newcomers... you guys have easily a few thousand posts already between yourselves. You know the SRC policy about good manners when intereacting with one another. I suggest that the sarcasm stop because it only inflames people. Guys, stop insinuating and pointing fingers as I have eyes to see also. Last warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Tang Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Alfaromeo... depends on when the Reef Maniac is free... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member AlfaRomeo Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 Alfaromeo... depends on when the Reef Maniac is free... Faster faster unveil lehhh... and btw... wheres that wavebox review we are waiting for? hehehehehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weileong Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Alfaromeo... depends on when the Reef Maniac is free... Faster get RM up and running.... then post review of your recirculating beckett Quote Weileong's 4ft tank Part I Weileong's 4ft tank Part II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member alanseah Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 Faster get RM up and running.... then post review of your recirculating beckett ya man.. cant wait to see.. maybe if improve more.. next time dont even need to change water... or wonder can even skim till become drinkable water sia... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weileong Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 ya man.. cant wait to see..maybe if improve more.. next time dont even need to change water... or wonder can even skim till become drinkable water sia... No need to change water one must ask some other experts in other forums already. Definately not most of the folks here Look at the condition of the reef you know liao if water changes are necessary or not Quote Weileong's 4ft tank Part I Weileong's 4ft tank Part II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member alanseah Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 No need to change water one must ask some other experts in other forums already. Definately not most of the folks here Look at the condition of the reef you know liao if water changes are necessary or not well WL.. yes I know.. but we are talking about AT tank... the totm of RC leh... sure best tank in sg and even better then those in RC... That's why I can when his improve skimmer come.. maybe can be go gd till dont even need to change water.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Tang Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Alan, Certainly hope your tongue is in your cheek. Why are you suddenly talking about my tank? My RC TOTM... then was then. My tank is certainly not the best in Singapore just because I got highlighted as TOTM in RC. Take a look at the many gorgeous tanks around here in SRC... there will be a few more RC TOTMs coming out from Singapore, I'm sure of that. I've not claimed my skimmer to be able to skim the salt out of saltwater yet. Perhaps when I link up my skimmer with the Tuas Desalination Plant. I'm not going to fall for this. If the tone in this thread continues, I'll close the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member iori_del Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 Sorry to disturb u guys here, but i am keen in the deltec skimmer... As i am running on a H&S 150-2001 in sump. have been thinking of up grade to a AP 850or the eheim 1260 skimmer.. anyone have use it b4??? Quote GIve up liao!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member AlfaRomeo Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 WL is using the Ap850 and he will fill in the performance he is having with that skimmer. For pricing, you can contact Edmund from eaquanature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weileong Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 What do you need to know abt the AP850 or deltec skimmer in general? The advantages I think Alfa can fill you in with that Quote Weileong's 4ft tank Part I Weileong's 4ft tank Part II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member iori_del Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 hm was waiting ofr WL to review or maybe can ask him to allow me to have a peek or not. hahah wat abt the AP 702 / AP 703 ? look short.. must ask Edu abt the price... Quote GIve up liao!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member iori_del Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 What do you need to know abt the AP850 or deltec skimmer in general?The advantages I think Alfa can fill you in with that how is the needlewheel quality when compara> any of u have compara the H&S and Deltec??? Quote GIve up liao!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weileong Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 AP702 is the shorter version of AP902. = > 10" dia chamber AP703 is the shorter version of AP1003. => 12" dia chamber If you never noticed, Deltec named their skimmer this way. APxxy xxy will be referring to the approx height of the skimmer in mm. y will be referring to the number of pumps. if y = 0 then single pump if y > 0 then y = number of pumps. The deltec skimmers are very easy to tune, actually set, fire and forget. I haven't touched the tunning since the day I fired it up Very easy to clean, twist and turn to remove the cup, bring to toilet wash, all takes less than 3 mins. Got time hop by and take a peep Quote Weileong's 4ft tank Part I Weileong's 4ft tank Part II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member AlfaRomeo Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 how is the needlewheel quality when compara> any of u have compara the H&S and Deltec??? I believe HnS copied Deltec on the actual needlewheel design and even Bubbleking has to pay a royalty fee to Deltec for the use of the needlewheel. So between HnS and Deltec, not much difference in the actual needlewheel design from what I have learnt. I could be wrong tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roidan Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I believe HnS copied Deltec on the actual needlewheel design and even Bubbleking has to pay a royalty fee to Deltec for the use of the needlewheel. So between HnS and Deltec, not much difference in the actual needlewheel design from what I have learnt. I could be wrong tho. alfa, you wanna genna letter from H&S or sealife ah.... dun say H&S copy deltec unless got proof....such statements can really lead to problems. But from what i have seen, their 2 impellers be it aquabee or eheims are similar Quote Advanced Aquarist (March05) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member AlfaRomeo Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 alfa, you wanna genna letter from H&S or sealife ah.... dun say H&S copy deltec unless got proof....such statements can really lead to problems. But from what i have seen, their 2 impellers be it aquabee or eheims are similar I said, 'I believe' and 'I could be wrong tho' mah... maybe I believed wrong? hehehee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roidan Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 very likely if H&S copied deltec as you believed, they would long have gotten a letter from deltec considering they are in the same country and wouldn't take too long for legal issues to be settled in terms of such obvious infringement acts. hehe Quote Advanced Aquarist (March05) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member AlfaRomeo Posted February 7, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted February 7, 2005 Wont be the first time I am wrong in what I believe. Maybe they 'worked together' on the impeller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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