SRC Member lyz77 Posted March 3, 2015 SRC Member Share Posted March 3, 2015 My tank only have 3 SPS and 2 feather worms. I am dosing Ca, Mg and KH using a dosing pump and the following are my mix ratio: Mix Ratio Ca - 500g : 1L RO/DI Mg - 200g : 1L RO/DI KH - 170g : 1L RO/DI (Sodium Bicarbonate) Dosing ratio Ca - 400ml per day Mg - 10ml per day KH - 500ml per day Tank Parameters Ca - 400ppm Mg 1290ppm KH - 9.6dKH Tank Volume ~120 gallon (inclusive of sump) I have read a few forum where the dosing ration for some are only less than 100ml per day. Can anyone share your dosing mix and ratio? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Supporter ReDDeviLs Posted March 3, 2015 SRC Supporter Share Posted March 3, 2015 hi bro, i think you could make your CA and KH more concentrated and dose lesser? 400ml is alot to me. but if your parameters are in check, then its workable for you. Quote [ ] [ ] Reef Reefing Reefed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiggie Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 @120gal and that few Sps , I don't think u need dosing .. Unless your rocks are full of coraline, Quote Stairway to Heaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member lyz77 Posted March 3, 2015 Author SRC Member Share Posted March 3, 2015 hi bro, i think you could make your CA and KH more concentrated and dose lesser? 400ml is alot to me. but if your parameters are in check, then its workable for you. I can make Ca more concentrated but not KH as it won't dissolve any further. @120gal and that few Sps , I don't think u need dosing .. Unless your rocks are full of coraline, The strange part is there is no coralline algae at all as I use dead rocks. If I stop dosing, both my Ca and KH will drop tremendously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Use hot water to melt the kh before mixing with cool water . Kh powder is very difficult to dissolve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuEl Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Calcium very concentrated, kH much more diluted. A more normal calcium dosing amount for your concentration should only be 100+ml per day assuming your kH consumption of 500ml per day is accurate. Quote Always something more important than fish. http://reefbuilders.com/2012/03/08/sps-pico-reef/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiraltian Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Or u could try this formula to mix ur dosing solutions, http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/ Quote Display Tank : 36" x 20" x 20" Herbie overflow box design, Sump : 36" x 21" x 17", Frag Tank : 16” x 20” x 16”, custom built by Tank Culture. Lightings : Ecotech Radion XR15 Pro x 2 for Main Display Tank, Inled R80 x 1 for Frag Tank. Chiller : Dalkin 1hp compressor with build-in drop coil. Skimmer : Skimz Octa SC205i Protein Skimmer. FR : H2Ocean FMR75 Fluidised Media Reactor with Hailea HX-2500 (Feeder Pump) running Rowaphos. CR : Skimz Monzter E Series CM122 Calcium Reactor. BPR: Marine Source Biopellet Reactor with Continuum Reef Biopellet Fuel. Main Return Pump : SICCE Syncra ADV 9.0 & Jebao ACQ-10000 Water Pump. Wavemaker : Jebao MOW-9 x2 for Main Display Tank & Jebao SLW-20M Sine Wave Pump for Frag Tank. Water Top Up: AutoAqua Smart ATO Lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member lyz77 Posted March 4, 2015 Author SRC Member Share Posted March 4, 2015 Use hot water to melt the kh before mixing with cool water . Kh powder is very difficult to dissolve I tried using hot water before and wht I did was to boil the RODI water and pour the KH powder. The down side to this is that after the mix cool down, it form crystal and it choke up my dosing tube and container which I had a hard time clearing it. Calcium very concentrated, kH much more diluted. A more normal calcium dosing amount for your concentration should only be 100+ml per day assuming your kH consumption of 500ml per day is accurate. I agree and I am clueless as well. Could the dosing interval be an issue? I set my dosing pump to automatically spill the dosing 24 times a day. Ca and KH dosing interval are set at 20 mins apart. Or u could try this formula to mix ur dosing solutions, http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/ Yea, I saw that link and I wanted to make a more concentrated mix so that the dosing per day can be minimize. My dosing container is only 5L and with 500ml per day, it can only last min 10 days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I have to melt the kh powder two to three time with hot water before it totally dissolved. Try and see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member lyz77 Posted March 5, 2015 Author SRC Member Share Posted March 5, 2015 I have to melt the kh powder two to three time with hot water before it totally dissolved. Try and see? Can you share with me your mixing ratio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Depending on your dosage, i mix 10 spoon in hot water over and over again until it fully melted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resser Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 MIX Mix these liter by liter in a clean saltmix pail. Add the required amount into 1 Liter, grab the pail and twirl 10 seconds, rest, twirl again, the solution should clear in 3 minutes. If you add the entired amount into 5 Liters, you will have a hard time dissolving them manually.Calcium • Calcium Chloride DihydrateFM Balling Light recommends 400 grams into 1 LiterRandy recommends between 66 grams to 660 grams per Liter 0.3668 grams into 100 Liters raises 1 ppm of Ca.• Anhydrous Calcium Chloride 66.6 grams into 1 Liter to have no precipitates. 0.2769 grams into 100 Liters raises Ca by 1ppm. If you have precipitation, you won't get 0.2769 grams raising 1 ppm in 100 Liters, and get floaty white flakes in display tank. Anhydrous Calcium Chloride looks wet when exposed to air and mixes hot unlike Dihydrate which already has 2 moles of water.Alkalinity • Sodium Bicarbonate 100 grams per 1 Liter with room temperature rodi water (from above link) 0.1679 grams into 100 Liters yeilds 1 ppm of CaCO3 (or 0.056 dkh). • Sodium Carbonate 100 grams per 1 Liter with room temperature rodi water. 0.10589 grams into 100 Liters yeilds 1ppm of CaCO3 (or 0.056 dkh). You should get clear solution if Sodium Bicarbonate is mixed liter by liter. If you mix with hot water, you get half pass six Sodium don't-know-what-Carbonate as the water cools before all the Bicarbonate bits loses CO2 to become Carbonate. . Properly heated Arm and Hammer baking soda from some NTUC at 200°C in oven for 1+ hour yeilds Sodium Carbonate. Carbonate raises pH more than Bicarbonate, more concentrated, and uses less solution per ppm. Sodium Bicarbonate looks more talcum powdery, Sodium Carbonate looks more sugar-like. CALCULATIONS • Calcium Chloride Dihydrate, CaCl2·2H2O Molar Mass of CaCl2·2H2O is 147.01456 g/mol Molar mass of Ca is 40.078 g/mol Ratio of Ca to CaCl2·2H2O is 40.078/147.01456 = 0.272612 = 27.2612% 1 gram adds 2.72612 ppm Ca to 100 Liters, or 0.3668 grams adds 1 ppm Ca to 100 Liters • Anhydrous Calcium Chloride, CaCl2 Molar mass of CaCl2 is 110.984 g/mol Molar mass of Ca is 40.078 g/mol Ratio of Ca to CaCl2 is 40.078/110.984 = 0.361115 = 36.1115% 1 gram adds 3.61115 ppm Ca to 100 Liters, or 0.2769 grams adds 1 ppm Ca to 100 Liters • Sodium Bicarbonate, NaHCO3 Molar mass of NaHCO3 is 84.00661 g/mol Molar mass of Calcium Carbonate, CaCO3 = 100.0869 g/mol 0.2 * (84.00661 / 100.0869) = 0.167867343278690817679436569621 grams 1 gram adds 5.957 ppm CaCO3 to 100 Liters, or 0.1678 grams adds 1 ppm CaCO3 to 100 Liters • Sodium Carbonate, Na2CO3 Molar mass of Na2CO3 is 105.98844 g/mol Molar mass of Calcium Carbonate, CaCO3 = 100.0869 g/mol 0.1 * (105.98844 / 100.0869) = 0.10589641601448341391330933418859 grams 1 grams adds 9.4431 ppm CaCO3 to 100 Liters, or 0.10589 grams add 1 ppm CaCO3 to 100 Liters Quote Materialism :- He who dies with the most toys, wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member lyz77 Posted March 5, 2015 Author SRC Member Share Posted March 5, 2015 MIX Mix these liter by liter in a clean saltmix pail. Add the required amount into 1 Liter, grab the pail and twirl 10 seconds, rest, twirl again, the solution should clear in 3 minutes. If you add the entired amount into 5 Liters, you will have a hard time dissolving them manually. Calcium • Calcium Chloride Dihydrate FM Balling Light recommends 400 grams into 1 Liter Randy recommends between 66 grams to 660 grams per Liter 0.3668 grams into 100 Liters raises 1 ppm of Ca. • Anhydrous Calcium Chloride 66.6 grams into 1 Liter to have no precipitates. 0.2769 grams into 100 Liters raises Ca by 1ppm. If you have precipitation, you won't get 0.2769 grams raising 1 ppm in 100 Liters, and get floaty white flakes in display tank. Anhydrous Calcium Chloride looks wet when exposed to air and mixes hot unlike Dihydrate which already has 2 moles of water. Alkalinity • Sodium Bicarbonate 100 grams per 1 Liter with room temperature rodi water (from above link) 0.1679 grams into 100 Liters yeilds 1 ppm of CaCO3 (or 0.056 dkh). • Sodium Carbonate 100 grams per 1 Liter with room temperature rodi water. 0.10589 grams into 100 Liters yeilds 1ppm of CaCO3 (or 0.056 dkh). You should get clear solution if Sodium Bicarbonate is mixed liter by liter. If you mix with hot water, you get half pass six Sodium don't-know-what-Carbonate as the water cools before all the Bicarbonate bits loses CO2 to become Carbonate. . Properly heated Arm and Hammer baking soda from some NTUC at 200°C in oven for 1+ hour yeilds Sodium Carbonate. Carbonate raises pH more than Bicarbonate, more concentrated, and uses less solution per ppm. Sodium Bicarbonate looks more talcum powdery, Sodium Carbonate looks more sugar-like. CALCULATIONS • Calcium Chloride Dihydrate, CaCl2·2H2O Molar Mass of CaCl2·2H2O is 147.01456 g/mol Molar mass of Ca is 40.078 g/mol Ratio of Ca to CaCl2·2H2O is 40.078/147.01456 = 0.272612 = 27.2612% 1 gram adds 2.72612 ppm Ca to 100 Liters, or 0.3668 grams adds 1 ppm Ca to 100 Liters • Anhydrous Calcium Chloride, CaCl2 Molar mass of CaCl2 is 110.984 g/mol Molar mass of Ca is 40.078 g/mol Ratio of Ca to CaCl2 is 40.078/110.984 = 0.361115 = 36.1115% 1 gram adds 3.61115 ppm Ca to 100 Liters, or 0.2769 grams adds 1 ppm Ca to 100 Liters • Sodium Bicarbonate, NaHCO3 Molar mass of NaHCO3 is 84.00661 g/mol Molar mass of Calcium Carbonate, CaCO3 = 100.0869 g/mol 0.2 * (84.00661 / 100.0869) = 0.167867343278690817679436569621 grams 1 gram adds 5.957 ppm CaCO3 to 100 Liters, or 0.1678 grams adds 1 ppm CaCO3 to 100 Liters • Sodium Carbonate, Na2CO3 Molar mass of Na2CO3 is 105.98844 g/mol Molar mass of Calcium Carbonate, CaCO3 = 100.0869 g/mol 0.1 * (105.98844 / 100.0869) = 0.10589641601448341391330933418859 grams 1 grams adds 9.4431 ppm CaCO3 to 100 Liters, or 0.10589 grams add 1 ppm CaCO3 to 100 Liters Thanks for the details and it is very informative. Appreciate your explanation on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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