Crypt Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Heya, Back again with some questions, 1) Is it ok to run the cycling process w/o the chillier running? 2) Is it ok to speed up the cycling process (provided the necessities are all ok)? 3) For a 3ft tank, of LS is around 30+ is it too high? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member kthc Posted May 22, 2008 SRC Member Share Posted May 22, 2008 Heya, Back again with some questions, 1) Is it ok to run the cycling process w/o the chillier running? 2) Is it ok to speed up the cycling process (provided the necessities are all ok)? 3) For a 3ft tank, of LS is around 30+ is it too high? 30+ is definitely too high.... typo right, wanted to type 3+ is it :eyebrow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Ah-lim Posted May 22, 2008 SRC Member Share Posted May 22, 2008 1)Yes. 2)Best not to. Juz stick with the usual. From past experiences, the longer cycling of the tank, the more stable your water is. So your coral dun mysteriously die, your LS dun die out of no reason....etc. wait lah.. 3) 30+ LS too much. Half that amount and depend on wat kind of fishes ya keeping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crypt Posted May 22, 2008 Author Share Posted May 22, 2008 30+ is definitely too high.... typo right, wanted to type 3+ is it :eyebrow: haha bro..not typo la, just curious and after much thought, yahh 30+ is too much... 1)Yes. 2)Best not to. Juz stick with the usual. From past experiences, the longer cycling of the tank, the more stable your water is. So your coral dun mysteriously die, your LS dun die out of no reason....etc. wait lah.. 3) 30+ LS too much. Half that amount and depend on wat kind of fishes ya keeping. thankxx for ur reply bro, will take the neccessity to ensure that cycling process is up to requirements, no cheating, hehe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo77 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 from the book...if you want to confirm when can add LS, for new setup, your NO will go up and after the cycling process completed...the NO reading should be 0...... be patience which i did not follow and suffer...hehe. All the best. haha bro..not typo la, just curious and after much thought, yahh 30+ is too much... thankxx for ur reply bro, will take the neccessity to ensure that cycling process is up to requirements, no cheating, hehe.. Quote Tank : 4 X 2 X 2 with low iron front panel and external overflow Skimmer : BK SM200 with waste collector Return Pumps : Red Dragon 6m3 and Ehiem 1262 FR : 2 X Deltec 509 & powered by AB2000 Nitrate Filter : Deltec NF 509 and tee off from AB2000 Calcium R'tor : Deltec PF 501 with RM secondary chamber Kalkwasser R'tor : Deltec KM500 Chiller : Pansonic 1 HP Compressor with 20m titanium Coil Wave Makers : 4 X Tunze 6055 with 7096 & Vortec MP40w Controller : GHL Profilux Lighting : ATI Powermodule 10 or 8 tubes Water Top-up : Water Top-Up tank powered by Tunze Osmolator External Monitor : American Pinpoint pH and Temp. Monitor for main tank and GHL Profilux Controller to measure temp, pH, Redox Ozonizer : Sander C50 UV : Corallife 6x Algae Scrubbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member wil_lee76 Posted May 23, 2008 SRC Member Share Posted May 23, 2008 from the book...if you want to confirm when can add LS, for new setup, your NO will go up and after the cycling process completed...the NO reading should be 0...... be patience which i did not follow and suffer...hehe. All the best. IMO,getting the readings might not that be accurate! depends on what testkits you used! What i do is normally, i will go beyond the cycling period. Bear in mind that a month is a standard practices. But sometimes, different tank different cycling period. So the best, go beyond..and rem be damnz patience! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Morpheous Posted May 25, 2008 SRC Member Share Posted May 25, 2008 When u add livestocks, do it progressively, and quarantine always... Quote Best Regards, Morpheous ========================================================================================== My Ocean Pets: Emperor Angel, PowderBlue Tang, Regal Angel, Teardrop Butterfly, Singapore Angel and Nemos ========================================================================================== (Only when you guard your lips, you guard your soul....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crypt Posted May 26, 2008 Author Share Posted May 26, 2008 heya guys, thankxx for the replies Some more clarifications , 1) Can cycling also be done w/o turning on the Skimmer and Fr (will only turn on at the 3rd or 4th week of cycling stages as no livestock are added during process)?? 2) Is refugium the best for a sump tank? Thankxx for the help guys Damn newbie here, read alot but am still unsure of alot of things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo77 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 IMO, the answer should be yes if you are not adding any LS. If the water has live rock without LS, turning on the skimmer will not have nothing much to skim off the water. For the FR, it depends on what you intend to remove or reduce. If for PO, if you let the water run and do not introduce light, algae unlikely to grow. For FR, you can decide to put phos remover or carbon or both or just have phos in your FR and place carbon and bio home or ball in your sump. Nevertheless, it will be good to turn on. Think there is no hard and fast rules. Some ppl will put rocks to reduce the NO in your tank, some will have refugium, mangrove, etc. The water also plays a part - RO/DI or NSW or just tap water which left for weeks and has all the remover solutions added to the water. Hope to hear from senior reefer to share their experience and professional advice. : ) heya guys, thankxx for the replies Some more clarifications , 1) Can cycling also be done w/o turning on the Skimmer and Fr (will only turn on at the 3rd or 4th week of cycling stages as no livestock are added during process)?? 2) Is refugium the best for a sump tank? Thankxx for the help guys Damn newbie here, read alot but am still unsure of alot of things... Quote Tank : 4 X 2 X 2 with low iron front panel and external overflow Skimmer : BK SM200 with waste collector Return Pumps : Red Dragon 6m3 and Ehiem 1262 FR : 2 X Deltec 509 & powered by AB2000 Nitrate Filter : Deltec NF 509 and tee off from AB2000 Calcium R'tor : Deltec PF 501 with RM secondary chamber Kalkwasser R'tor : Deltec KM500 Chiller : Pansonic 1 HP Compressor with 20m titanium Coil Wave Makers : 4 X Tunze 6055 with 7096 & Vortec MP40w Controller : GHL Profilux Lighting : ATI Powermodule 10 or 8 tubes Water Top-up : Water Top-Up tank powered by Tunze Osmolator External Monitor : American Pinpoint pH and Temp. Monitor for main tank and GHL Profilux Controller to measure temp, pH, Redox Ozonizer : Sander C50 UV : Corallife 6x Algae Scrubbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo77 Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 one more thing to add....i am super super newbie....hahaha...hence my opinion can be ignored and corrected by senior reefer....hehe....hopeing to learn more also. : ) Quote Tank : 4 X 2 X 2 with low iron front panel and external overflow Skimmer : BK SM200 with waste collector Return Pumps : Red Dragon 6m3 and Ehiem 1262 FR : 2 X Deltec 509 & powered by AB2000 Nitrate Filter : Deltec NF 509 and tee off from AB2000 Calcium R'tor : Deltec PF 501 with RM secondary chamber Kalkwasser R'tor : Deltec KM500 Chiller : Pansonic 1 HP Compressor with 20m titanium Coil Wave Makers : 4 X Tunze 6055 with 7096 & Vortec MP40w Controller : GHL Profilux Lighting : ATI Powermodule 10 or 8 tubes Water Top-up : Water Top-Up tank powered by Tunze Osmolator External Monitor : American Pinpoint pH and Temp. Monitor for main tank and GHL Profilux Controller to measure temp, pH, Redox Ozonizer : Sander C50 UV : Corallife 6x Algae Scrubbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member wil_lee76 Posted May 26, 2008 SRC Member Share Posted May 26, 2008 IMO, the answer should be yes if you are not adding any LS. If the water has live rock without LS, turning on the skimmer will not have nothing much to skim off the water. For the FR, it depends on what you intend to remove or reduce. If for PO, if you let the water run and do not introduce light, algae unlikely to grow. For FR, you can decide to put phos remover or carbon or both or just have phos in your FR and place carbon and bio home or ball in your sump. Nevertheless, it will be good to turn on. Think there is no hard and fast rules. Some ppl will put rocks to reduce the NO in your tank, some will have refugium, mangrove, etc. The water also plays a part - RO/DI or NSW or just tap water which left for weeks and has all the remover solutions added to the water. Hope to hear from senior reefer to share their experience and professional advice. : ) solo bro, we are here to learn and share our experiences. So need not to worry much! Basically, diff reefers have diff thoughts and ways...some trial and run....and it works... ok, personally...what i did while cycling... I dun use market prawn to speed up the process, i dun purchased instant bacteria or startup solutions to kick start...i believe in natural ways, so sometimes it takes a longer period! OK, during cycling period, I will run my rowas & carbon to prevent any builds up of unnecessary chemicals. Skimming depends on certain pple, but i would suggest you to test run your skimmer to check for any faulty parts & bubbling into main tank., so at least during cycling period you can adjust your settings & configurations. Now let the tank cycle w/o lights or sometimes, run the lights. These period is a good time to do sorts of adjustments. OK, come to what to put in the sump...do u believe that i don't place anything in my sump? YES. i Don't place bioballs, corals chips, ceremic cones etc etc. what i put is only a piece of white filter foam for collection of waste...and small pieces of live rocks and I let my skimmer do the job. So where's the biological system? I believe all lies in the rocks in my main tank and in the sump. Thats how my previous system runs...and now having a 24gall tank..im not running a skimmer and nothing is behind my compartments only a piece of white filter foam! Hope these helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Ah-lim Posted May 27, 2008 SRC Member Share Posted May 27, 2008 Feeling bored, so drew a sump pics. Simple one with wats inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Underwater Posted May 28, 2008 SRC Member Share Posted May 28, 2008 Can learn from Bro Ah-Lim, with many fishes and yet 0 nitrates. Amazing....the power of LR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfran Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Hi All can i use life rock during cycling period ? i just up grade from a 3 to 4 footer.. please advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crypt Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 Heya all, Thankx for all ur replies and it is indeed a great help for me ..and yet further clarifications needed 1) I intend to use Natures Ocean Live Aragonite Black Sand as the sand base in the main tank, and as for my sump refugium i'm using normal sand grade 0 & 1 9inches, will it have any effects to the tank waters or anything? 2) During cycling stages, does the refugium need to be completely setup or during cycling stages i can set it up? 3) Can anybody clarify during cycling stages what are the additives that u guys normally add to ensure water parameters are acceptable and sustainable for NO2,NO3 etc..? What are the brands used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member dfstan Posted September 13, 2008 SRC Member Share Posted September 13, 2008 not sure about how long cycling required to be using the argonite live sand. most important is to ensure that your NO is zero before adding in any livestock. live sand or not, ensure NO=zero. however, i presume using live sand should reduce the cycling time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jythong Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 not sure about how long cycling required to be using the argonite live sand. most important is to ensure that your NO is zero before adding in any livestock. live sand or not, ensure NO=zero. however, i presume using live sand should reduce the cycling time. I was told can add LS after 5 days of setting up my tank with aragonite live sand and rocks. The packaging for the live sand even say can add fish immediately. For my tank, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate remained 0 for the first 5 days...maybe live sand really accelerates the process significantly. I will continue to monitor the parameters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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