SRC Member kenny1111 Posted February 14, 2011 SRC Member Share Posted February 14, 2011 anyone can share some infor for this 2 product? which is better and which is more cost saving? i now using both together, but is it needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member LaW Posted February 15, 2011 SRC Member Share Posted February 15, 2011 rowa is enough. no need to use 2 if you got sensitive fish, stick with rowa Quote If a man could beat his own fantasy. Then to only breed in captivity. Then its pointless. Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. || Tank: 78" x 30" x 30" || Sump: 48" x 22" x 20" || Lights: PowerModule 10 X 80W|| Returns: 2 x HF32 || || Skimmer: BubbleKing Supermarin 300 || Wavemaker: 3 x 6100 & 1 x 6200, 2 x Wavebox 6212, WavySea || || FR: 2 x FR150 || NR: Sulphur Denitrator || CR: RM Custom Made 8" || KR: Deltec KM500 || TopUp: Tunze Osmolator 3155 || || UV: Coralife 12X 36W || Ozonizer: Sanders C200|| Controller: GHL Profilux Plus II Ex || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member kenny1111 Posted February 15, 2011 Author SRC Member Share Posted February 15, 2011 ok thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetski250 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I like ROWA. I use stocking to hold the stuff and tie it up. Makes changing a breeze... Quote 300G Main Display - 7 x 3 x 3, 60G Sump 4 x Tunze 6105 + 7095 controller, 2 x Eden 5000 l/hr main return 1HP Reefcool Compressor 4 x Reeflux 250W 12K MH with dimmable ballast + ATI T5 blue actinic Super Reef Octopus 5000 skimmer, Skimz PO4 Reactor, 36W UV sterilizer Bubble Magus 7 Channel Dosing Pump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member kenny1111 Posted February 17, 2011 Author SRC Member Share Posted February 17, 2011 u mean u tie it up and put it in the sump or FR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyBoy Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Tie at both ends using cable tie and drop at fast moving water column in the sump. Quote Member of : UEN: T08SS0098FMASS in Facebook Reefing in LED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member garyjg Posted February 18, 2011 SRC Member Share Posted February 18, 2011 How can you compare ROWA to GoodBye PO4, both work on completely different principles. Rowa is like a PO4 sponge were Goodbye is an exporter. You should compare Korallin PO4 Minus to Goodbye and Rowa to Seachem PhosGuard or something like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFOh Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 anyone can share some infor for this 2 product? which is better and which is more cost saving? i now using both together, but is it needed? Hi, Kenny, Since u r using both. Pls find info below some from web and some from my understanding.. For me I am using Rowa only. Hope it helps.. goodbye! PO4 is a liquid phosphate remover which operates hand in hand with a protein skimmer or a mechanical filter. It works by binding active phosphate molecules, turning them into inert particulates which become unusable for further biological processes. That means it is unavailable as a nutrient for algae growth and will not affect corals well being. The particulate suspension is subsequently removed from the aquarium system by protein skimming and/or through the mechanical filter. RowaPhos (aluminium oxide) is a unique man made ferric hydroxide material specifically produced for efficient removal of phosphates, arsenic and silicates from fresh and salt water, below r my understanding on how the working principle via Phosphoric dissociation following by oxidation reduction process. eventually turn product into harmless iron phosphate form. Cheers... Quote LFS Map in singapore __________________ ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. >((((º> Cheers and Happy Reefing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member kenny1111 Posted February 19, 2011 Author SRC Member Share Posted February 19, 2011 thanks for the infor sir. what i want to compare is the abilty of removing PO4 from the water. not the brand of same type of product.... But from all the advise from the bro and pro here, i seem that rowa is more used by the reefer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member MadScientist Posted September 19, 2012 SRC Member Share Posted September 19, 2012 Hi, Kenny, Since u r using both. Pls find info below some from web and some from my understanding.. For me I am using Rowa only. Hope it helps.. goodbye! PO4 is a liquid phosphate remover which operates hand in hand with a protein skimmer or a mechanical filter. It works by binding active phosphate molecules, turning them into inert particulates which become unusable for further biological processes. That means it is unavailable as a nutrient for algae growth and will not affect corals well being. The particulate suspension is subsequently removed from the aquarium system by protein skimming and/or through the mechanical filter. RowaPhos (aluminium oxide) is a unique man made ferric hydroxide material specifically produced for efficient removal of phosphates, arsenic and silicates from fresh and salt water, below r my understanding on how the working principle via Phosphoric dissociation following by oxidation reduction process. eventually turn product into harmless iron phosphate form. Cheers... Rowaphos is ferric (iron) hydroxide. Phosguard is aluminium oxide. Liquid phosphate remover is Lanthanum Chloride. Rowaphos is more commonly used due to the non-leeching of aluminium, leeching of iron is usually harmless. ferric oxide has the lowest rate of removal of phosphate and silicate, it has a longer service lifespan as it takes time for it to reach its capacity due to the slower rate of removal of phosphate. Phosguard has a higher rate of phosphate removal, hence the need to follow instructions strictly. It has a shorter service lifespan. It may leech some aluminium. Liquid phosphate remover has been long used by aquaculture/public aquarium, water treatment and swimming pool industry to remove phosphate. It has the quickest rate of phosphate removal. It has the shortest service lifespan (almost immediate to a few seconds, depending on circulation rate). It is very cost effective for large volume. A mechanical filtration is required (<10 micron mesh) to remove the particulate from the water. Some corals/ fishes are sensitive to the particulate. It is used on very large volumes of water due to its cost effectiveness. For small water volumes, overdose is easily a real risk. There is no scientific evidence on the positive/negative side effects of overdose of Lanthanum Chloride on corals and fishes. Anecdotal evidence suggests that corals and fishes may be affected from the overdose. Overdose will result in extreme rates of removal of phosphate to near non-existing levels. This can result in stress to the corals. Use of liquid phosphate removal is strongly encouraged to be accompanied by phosphate monitoring with a highly sensitive test method as it can easily and rapidly bring down phosphate levels to extremely low levels. Most users would overdose liquid phosphate remover easily due to its low costs, rapid rate of action and the lack of access to high resolution/sensitivity test methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFOh Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Hi, Kenny, Since u r using both. Pls find info below some from web and some from my understanding.. For me I am using Rowa only. Hope it helps.. goodbye! PO4 is a liquid phosphate remover which operates hand in hand with a protein skimmer or a mechanical filter. It works by binding active phosphate molecules, turning them into inert particulates which become unusable for further biological processes. That means it is unavailable as a nutrient for algae growth and will not affect corals well being. The particulate suspension is subsequently removed from the aquarium system by protein skimming and/or through the mechanical filter. RowaPhos (aluminium oxide) is a unique man made ferric hydroxide material specifically produced for efficient removal of phosphates, arsenic and silicates from fresh and salt water, below r my understanding on how the working principle via Phosphoric dissociation following by oxidation reduction process. eventually turn product into harmless iron phosphate form. Cheers... Just notice typo on my header. Shld be Iron Oxide Hydroxide rather than aluminium oxide. I am not sure what is inside goodbye PO4.. Better check.. Not all Liquid phosphate remover is Lanthanum Chloride certain product could be iron base liquid. Cheers Quote LFS Map in singapore __________________ ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. >((((º> Cheers and Happy Reefing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member MadScientist Posted September 19, 2012 SRC Member Share Posted September 19, 2012 Just notice typo on my header. Shld be Iron Oxide Hydroxide rather than aluminium oxide. I am not sure what is inside goodbye PO4.. Better check.. Not all Liquid phosphate remover is Lanthanum Chloride certain product could be iron base liquid. Cheers What's the point of liquid iron based remover when there's no way to export it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFOh Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 What's the point of liquid iron based remover when there's no way to export it? I mean when u reply Lanthanum Chloride on Goodbye PO4 post. and I need to clarify I am not sure what is the active ingredient inside. Why no way to export? Skimmer and many others reactor/waste isolator device in the market can help the job done. Cheers. Quote LFS Map in singapore __________________ ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. >((((º> Cheers and Happy Reefing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakani Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Bro can try to get from gemsurf there GFO.... GFO good also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member MadScientist Posted September 19, 2012 SRC Member Share Posted September 19, 2012 I mean when u reply Lanthanum Chloride on Goodbye PO4 post. and I need to clarify I am not sure what is the active ingredient inside. Why no way to export? Skimmer and many others reactor/waste isolator device in the market can help the job done. Cheers. The phosphate is particulate-d out. Skimmers have limited capacity in removing of such particulates. It is highly recommended to have a fine mechanical filtration when using such products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member tropic Posted September 19, 2012 SRC Member Share Posted September 19, 2012 There can be products and various ways to reduce phosphate. So cont whichever way that suits the tank. ...Whatever that rocks your boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruigo77 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 ROWA for better consistency but best used in a FR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFOh Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 you may consider HC GFO... Cheers... Quote LFS Map in singapore __________________ ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. >((((º> Cheers and Happy Reefing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member james72 Posted October 9, 2012 SRC Member Share Posted October 9, 2012 Rowaphos tested & proven super effective when use in a FR. Totally wipe out all the hair algaes with 24hrs. Quote Cheers, James Reviving my reef tank : Crystal glass 53" x 22" x 17" rimless (inclusive of 12"x22"x17" IOS) Life Reef HVS3-24 with mazzei venturi ATI Sunpower 8 x 39w T5 (4 x Blue plus, 2 x Aqua blue special, Coral plus) ZET Light 3 x 3w LEDs moonlight Arctica 1/3 Hp + 1/4 Hp back up Vortech mp40w x 3 + Jebao wp25 Eheim 1264 x 3 + water blaster 5000 Vortech back up battery TLF-150 + Rowaphos Activated carbon Kamoer 3 channel + CaCl2 + NaHCo3 150L Refugium with DSB, miracle mud, cheato 2ft T5 x 2 light tubes for refugium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member John Deroe Kenedy Posted October 9, 2012 SRC Member Share Posted October 9, 2012 Rowaphos tested & proven super effective when use in a FR. Totally wipe out all the hair algaes with 24hrs. Agreed... Cyano gone within 3 days..... Quote Teh'sTankSetup Decomm on 18/8/2012 Tank: 2x1x1 Rimless Tank (Sumpless) Lighting: Aquazonic 2x24watts T5 (Actinic x Sun White) Moonlight: Acardia 1W Led Light (Blue) Filter: ISTA Max Care Cannister Skimmer: Bubble Magus E3 Chiller: Resun CL450 (Aquazonic Evo Pump) Wave: Boyu WM-25 Commissioned 20/9/2012 Tank: 3x2x2.5 Lighting: 250w DeLighting MH/ 2x 39w Delighting Diy T5 ATI Blue Plus Skimmer: H&S Skimmer Type 110-F2000 Chiller: CL450 (Aquazonic Evo Pump) Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Reactor: D&D H2Ocean FMR 75 (ADA 1500 Pump)(Rowaphos) Wavemaker: 2x SunSun Wavemaker (3000L) Incoming: Conch ll Basic ATO System/Tunze Osmolator Magic Marine 3CH Dosing Pump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jai9prakash@yahoo.com Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Rowaphos will be a good choice. I have been using it for Thorpe last three months and every time when I check PO4, the result ZERO...... Quote Have respect for others...,listen....share and value experience.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QwekSengKiang Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 ROWA has been working for me too, working well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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