blueheaven Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Basically I have shown the guys 3 basic ways to frag mushies and they are by incision, total cutting and pressure splitting. The pos and cons of all three methods are highlighted below: Total Cutting Pros Fast healing rate You get more frags from a single polyp Cons Low success rate Incision Pros Higher success rate than cutting Easier to administer Cons Slower healing time Pressure splitting Pros Highest success rate Easy to administer Cons Longest healing time You get very fre frags from this So, I'm going to start with total cutting. For this method, you totally cut off the disk in a single snip and leave the stalk behind to grow into a new polyp. After that, you cut the disk into pizza slices and the number of slices depends on the size of the specimen you are cutting The cuttings are then placed in a frag box which is supposed to be filled with coral chips so that the frags can attach but I couldn't get my hands on them on that day. Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 Next is the incision method. This is basically doing raidal cuts along the polyp to stimulate new buds to form. It is best to cut closest to the mouth for higher success rate Then leave the polyp to recover and new buds would form Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 And finally is pressure splitting which is actually to stimulate natural splitting using pressure. This is best done using a fishing line and you tie it across the polyp and make sure it runs across the mouth. Then leave the polyp aside and wait for it to split Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 That come to the end of our little workshop and those who got the chance for a hands on would definately not forget this experience Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 And last but not least, many thanks to bro nakazoru for having the initiative and hosting this activity Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 Can you guys see the pics? Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member ervine Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 cool stuff... didn't know of the incision method.. might try it soon... so I just snip it till almost the mouth? But how to move the frag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member somebody Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 i couldn't see it when my zonealarm was on, but now that i offed it, can see them =) glad the pictures turned out in a comfortable size. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 cool stuff... didn't know of the incision method.. might try it soon... so I just snip it till almost the mouth? But how to move the frag? You don't get individual frags in this method This method stimulate budding so you'll probably get polyps clustered around together And I forgot to thank bro somebody for the pictures Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veliferium Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Very nice pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member somebody Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 thx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member wil_lee76 Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 well done! hope to arrange another one...so i can attend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member andylee Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 for sharing and teaching! Anyway, can ask about fragging for zoos? same methods? Quote Project R.E. Main Tank: 48" x 18" x 24" 12mm with external overflow piping Sump Tank: 28" x 14.5" x 12" (3 compartments) Lightings: T5 HO - Hopar 3* 39w + ATI 2* 54w Skimmer: Skimz Bullet Beckett Chiller: Resun CL-650 (28 - 29 °C) Wavemakers: 2* Seio M620 + 1* Hydor K2 (7100 litre / hr) Fluidized Reactor: Skimz FR (currently empty) Pumps: 1x Rio 32HF (Skimmer), 1x Rio 20HF (Return & Chiller) Filtration: more than 80kg LRs, chaeto Water Circulation: ~ 4000 litre / hr Future Plans: additional wavemaker, DIY algae scrubber, DIY overflow box Previously: Project R : 36" x 12" x 24" 10mm reef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member somebody Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 fragging for zoos? hmm... think quite different lehz... not sure though... lets have another workshop!! =) i volunteer go take pictures, and learn of course. hehe. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member andylee Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 hopefully somebody (i dun mean u, bro somebody).. i mean anybody.. can post some pics like this above so pple like me can learn.. i usually hard to find time to attend the workshops although i'll like to.. Quote Project R.E. Main Tank: 48" x 18" x 24" 12mm with external overflow piping Sump Tank: 28" x 14.5" x 12" (3 compartments) Lightings: T5 HO - Hopar 3* 39w + ATI 2* 54w Skimmer: Skimz Bullet Beckett Chiller: Resun CL-650 (28 - 29 °C) Wavemakers: 2* Seio M620 + 1* Hydor K2 (7100 litre / hr) Fluidized Reactor: Skimz FR (currently empty) Pumps: 1x Rio 32HF (Skimmer), 1x Rio 20HF (Return & Chiller) Filtration: more than 80kg LRs, chaeto Water Circulation: ~ 4000 litre / hr Future Plans: additional wavemaker, DIY algae scrubber, DIY overflow box Previously: Project R : 36" x 12" x 24" 10mm reef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member nakazoru Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 Sweet and sharp pictorial and summary. All the points in. Very good. Quote Equipment: 30G Corner Tank with 10G Sump, 2 x 24W artinic T5, 1 x 24W 10K, 1x 24W 20K, 3" Grade 0 sand & Live rocks, Activated Carbon, Bio-home, 2 x Seio M620, Hailea 1/2HP Chiller, Redsea Pro Skimmer Live Stock: Turbo Snail x 1, Green Mandarin Dragonet X 2, Blue Tang X 2, True percular x 2, 1 x Algae Bleenie, Clarke clown x 2 Reef: 1 x 2" Blue maxima, Red/Brown/Purple Mushroom (Discosoma), Pink Ricordea yuma, A little colony Brown/Green common Zoanthus, Red/Pink/Green US Zoanthus, Eagle-eye Zoathus, 14 Branch Goniopora Pandoraensis, 1 Starburst Polyps, 3 + 2 Branch Frogspawn, 4 Blasto, palythoa, Cheato RIPs (Since June 2005): 1. Sabae clown (KO by Clarke clown) 2. 1 branch melted frogspawn 4 branch 3. Golden maxima (Ripe the base off rock by me) 4. Algae Bleenie x 2 (Starvation) 5. Blue Maxima x 1, 2 x Maxima, 1 x frogspawn, rics (Overtemp...) Old 30G Corner Tank. Restarted 30G Corner Tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member somebody Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 hey andy, trying to be farnie issit?!?! somebody, anybody... haha.. you should have seen the faces of the other reefers at the workshop when i introduced myself as "oh hi, i'm somebody" hehe.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member cityofangels Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 blueheaven: Awesome pics and tutorial! Pity I couldn't make it for the workshop but your pics & tutorial were very detailed. Thanks heaps for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member kelstorm Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 hey andy, trying to be farnie issit?!?! somebody, anybody... haha.. you should have seen the faces of the other reefers at the workshop when i introduced myself as "oh hi, i'm somebody" hehe.. u still have the cheek to say.. i was one of them that goes then i realised wat he meant... Quote Let us work together to preserve the world for our children to inherit by being responsible to our surroundings. Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints, bubbles and memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member somebody Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 well... i introduced myself with my name first lohz... till nakazoru wanted my nickname, so i hesitated a little and said "i'm somebody" fwahhhahah =) but it was good... felt a bit weird at first, seeing all these "strangers". haha. but it was good.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Maxstar81 Posted November 21, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 21, 2005 Wa lao a .... Super clear leh the pics. My DC cannot compare. To those who took frag-lets home, post results after a month ah. No cheating by chionging LFS for same type & passing off as home grown ah. My stubbles have not fully healed yet. Blasting them with extra hours of light. (is that good? any tips for healing?) Cool wksp & happy to have met all U guys! Next wksp for ZOOS (if there is), i will also go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member dominik Posted November 22, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 22, 2005 really would like to go . Got two young ones at home very hard . the younger one only 6 weeks old. Will try to persuade my CO for next outing . Quote Current tank Past tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member ervine Posted November 22, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 22, 2005 wait ah let me get this clear... so the incission method u snip the shroom radially towards the centre but stop short of snipping the mouth itself yeah? Do 1 cut or several cuts? Also... for zoos can propogate via cutting meh???? The most i heard of is to remove some from their existing LR, then let them settle down on some new coral chips, then transplant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member nemokit Posted November 23, 2005 SRC Member Share Posted November 23, 2005 Great workshop! I didn't know that mushroom can be fragged! Gonna try this later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueheaven Posted November 23, 2005 Author Share Posted November 23, 2005 wait ah let me get this clear... so the incission method u snip the shroom radially towards the centre but stop short of snipping the mouth itself yeah? Do 1 cut or several cuts? Also... for zoos can propogate via cutting meh???? The most i heard of is to remove some from their existing LR, then let them settle down on some new coral chips, then transplant... Yes, you can do more cuts if you want but the success rate goes down as with the number of cuts you make Best I've seen, do 2 cuts and hope it splits into 2 polyps And as for zoos, you can cut them, rip them apart or even chisel right through them!! Quote But if you tame me, we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world... You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery Keep our hobby sustainable, participate in fragging NOW CHAETO Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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