staromsa Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Due to super high nutrients level. Hence planning to convert to SPS tank. Seniors please advise and teach me how long is the quickest till i can start adding sps if i intend to restart? Also mother making noise on my ugly tank. LOL Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 That's depending on your current equipment setup and live stock ? Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiraltian Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Well, u got to learn how to keep your nutrients down first before taking on sps. Quote Display Tank : 36" x 20" x 20" Herbie overflow box design, Sump : 36" x 21" x 17", Frag Tank : 16” x 20” x 16”, custom built by Tank Culture. Lightings : Ecotech Radion XR15 Pro x 2 for Main Display Tank, Inled R80 x 1 for Frag Tank. Chiller : Dalkin 1hp compressor with build-in drop coil. Skimmer : Skimz Octa SC205i Protein Skimmer. FR : H2Ocean FMR75 Fluidised Media Reactor with Hailea HX-2500 (Feeder Pump) running Rowaphos. CR : Skimz Monzter E Series CM122 Calcium Reactor. BPR: Marine Source Biopellet Reactor with Continuum Reef Biopellet Fuel. Main Return Pump : SICCE Syncra ADV 9.0 & Jebao ACQ-10000 Water Pump. Wavemaker : Jebao MOW-9 x2 for Main Display Tank & Jebao SLW-20M Sine Wave Pump for Frag Tank. Water Top Up: AutoAqua Smart ATO Lite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member jxlex Posted March 3, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 3, 2013 If the reason for wanting to restart is to expect a shorter time required to get the tank "ready" for sps i think u will be better off learning to manage your present nutrient levels... Its a skill-set that is highly relevant and necessary in this hobby... Resetting will only give you a temporary felling of solving the problem... In time to come the issue will again compound and come after you... Quote :: just a noob :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member Slimymadness Posted March 3, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 3, 2013 agree with what jxlex says. Patience is the key to success. SPS = Stability Promotes Success ( learn that through RC) there is no short cut in reefing. if your nutrient is high due to improper tank management, no number of times of resetting will help. you can start again when you have acquired enough knowledge and is willing to invest time to read up, invest money on good equipment and most importantly be willing to learn; starting from the basic. As i have mentioned earlier, start slow, with soft corals first as they are more forgiving. no point wasting money. with a "i want to get started as quickly as possible" mentality, one is doomed to fail even before starting. hope you heed the advise of other seniors here. Quote I believe there is something out there watching us. Unfortunately, it's the government. - Woody Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Thankd slimymadness, i would change the mindset from now on! What if i put it in this way which is, what are the proper procedures in restarting? Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member hanafi_weeseng Posted March 3, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 3, 2013 This's happen to me last round,thought lps corals seem doing fine in my tank so try my luck on sps but bad move.All sps coral just waste away in the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member jxlex Posted March 3, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 3, 2013 Haha... The proper procedure other then the cycling n cleaning liverock probably the same thing... This is getting quite hilarious... Quote :: just a noob :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member james72 Posted March 4, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 4, 2013 You can reset and focus at least 6 months on good husbandry before trying out sps. Reason being you need a stable tank to keep sps. The 6 months please avoid buying fishes, just keep a few herbivores small fishes to tackle algae problem which is quite common during the first 6 months cycling period. IMO for sps, stable water parameters is number 1, any big fluctuations to your kH, Ph, temperature or phosphate level can cause your sps to stn or rtn. A dosing pump or CR is a good investment. Weekly water change and a good Skimmer will help in nutrients exporting. Second on the list would be flow, you need good random water flow. Will be a challenge if your tank is shallow and have a sandbed. 3rd on my list are lights, too strong a light can bleached your sps, too low a light will most likely result in brown sps. Because sps are sensitive creatures, its worth while to invest in reliable equipment, stick to reputable brands like eheim, arctica, tunze or vortech.....etc Drop a line if you have any queries, many nice reefers here will try to answer them. Quote Cheers, James Reviving my reef tank : Crystal glass 53" x 22" x 17" rimless (inclusive of 12"x22"x17" IOS) Life Reef HVS3-24 with mazzei venturi ATI Sunpower 8 x 39w T5 (4 x Blue plus, 2 x Aqua blue special, Coral plus) ZET Light 3 x 3w LEDs moonlight Arctica 1/3 Hp + 1/4 Hp back up Vortech mp40w x 3 + Jebao wp25 Eheim 1264 x 3 + water blaster 5000 Vortech back up battery TLF-150 + Rowaphos Activated carbon Kamoer 3 channel + CaCl2 + NaHCo3 150L Refugium with DSB, miracle mud, cheato 2ft T5 x 2 light tubes for refugium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member spkentchai Posted March 4, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 4, 2013 Due to super high nutrients level. Hence planning to convert to SPS tank. Seniors please advise and teach me how long is the quickest till i can start adding sps if i intend to restart? Also mother making noise on my ugly tank. LOL Take a photo of your current tank....we will give you some feedback. No tank is ugly. 1 Quote -5x1.5x2ft Tank 5x2.5x2 Full Height Tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Im planning to get a 3 channel marine magic dosing pump and dose mg, kh and cal. Or maybe i should just remove everything and let water cycle? Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Bro spkentchai, my tank currently all corals dying from brownjelly all of a sudd. Thats what makes me have the urge to restart.. Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Thanks for all response. Appreciate it much... Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member [V]tEc Posted March 4, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 4, 2013 My advise is restart with lps first. If u cant even keep lps, dont even think of keeping sps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weihsiang Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Bro, Go for it ! If u like it. Never try won't know. There's always the chance tt you will fail but u can always start small with more forgiving sps. Then add more. The key is to know ur parameters and keep them stable by measuring and adjustin, also do a lot of reading. As for fastest way to lower nutrients I will recommend Biopellets and GFO. When ur kh stable, nitrate below 5 phosphate 0.03. Can start to intro some cheaper frags to test water. Just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weihsiang Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Just to add, u gotta be persistent and consistent. Need patience as well. Go only if ur really keen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Alright! Thanks for giving me the confidence once more bro weihsiang. Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member illumnae Posted March 5, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 5, 2013 Sorry, tagging along this thread as my query is similar. If doing a tank reboot, would starting with Polyplab Reef-resh system and keeping up with dosing for 6 months before starting on the SPS be sufficient? This would be on a 322 running with a BM Curve 7 skimmer and filter bagged AC. When switching systems from Biopellets to Prodibio, I made the mistake of removing my Biopellets too suddenly and experienced a nitrate spike. Now more than half my substrate is being covered with red hair algae. Prior to this, I had no issues keeping LPS and clams healthy and happy (I had 2 Maxima/Crocea clams, and very healthy Elegance, Hammer and Frogspawn). Testing my water every week, I find that even after 3-4 weeks, Calcium, Magnesium and kH still remain within normal parameters (kH 7-9, Mg 1400+, Ca 400-460). Could be my clams/LPS don't suck up so much nutrients. If I reboot the tank I intend to get a dosing pump to dose TLF 2 part. Current wc schedule is monthly due to the testing I did above, but will switch to once every 2 weeks if required after the reboot. If I do the reboot (considering asking iwarna to help me redo the setup from scratch), I want to start things right. Will leave the tank in the dark to cycle for a month with BB additives like Brightwell Microbacter 7, then start up the skimmer and the Polyp-lab reef-resh system after 1 month. Due to space constraints (wife insists that the chiller must be inside the tank cabinet, so sump is very small), I won't be able to run a refugium or FRs for GFO. That's the reason I removed the Biopellets to switch to Prodibio system - to reduce clutter in the sump. I will be keeping my current livestock (only 5 fish) in a QT tank and introduce them into the rebooted tank only after cycling is completed. They will be introduced one at a time over the course of probably 1 month to prevent ammonia spike. The 5 fish are: 3" YT (algae control), 1.5" Percula, 3" Bipartatus leopard wrasse 2" normal red firefish and 2" Yasha goby. I may sell off all the fish except the YT and Percula though (wife has grown attached to these 2), if that is more advisable. Appreciate comments and suggestions on my planned route of action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member illumnae Posted March 5, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 5, 2013 Just to add, my monthly water changes are about 30% each time, so they're pretty large but in line with the 25% monthly water changes recommended by Polyplab for use with their reef-resh system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Vtec bro, my LPS are fine its just recently last week all keep getting the brown jelly.. Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Bro i see no point in u restarting leh. Ur tank seems absolutely fine to me. Mine really like disaster. Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member jxlex Posted March 5, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 5, 2013 I see no point in anybody restarting Quote :: just a noob :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Hey bro! Youre back!! Hahaha! Why no point?? Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staromsa Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 Anyway, may i know which is better? NSW OR SALT MIX? WHICH ONE IS BETTER IN TERMS OF CYCLING THE TANK FASTER? Quote Tank and Equipments Used:- Tank Size: 3x1.5x2 Return Pump: Eheim 1260 Lighting: DE 36 Inch T5 Retrofit 6 x 39 Watts | 5 ATI Blue Plus & 1 ATI Special Blue. Wavemaker: 1x WP-40 | 1x SUNSUN 5000ltr/hr Skimmer: BUBBLE MAGUS C7 Skimz ideas FR: Running ROWAPHOS (FEEDER PUMP: RESUN 1000) Enductor FR: Running NP Biopellet (FEEDER PUMP: AQUABEE 1000) Chaeto in sump ~ Watching my tank matures and progressing day by day , gives me great satisfactory Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRC Member jxlex Posted March 6, 2013 SRC Member Share Posted March 6, 2013 Hey bro! Youre back!! Hahaha! Why no point?? Imho i render most common problems can be rectified through proper understanding of the system, problem and solution. A restart might be useful in cases of sever disease/pest out break, excessive use of medication (again might be able to fix with carbon) or in cases where we have to move our tanks location... Correct me if im wrong but i really cannot identify a good reason to do so... Parameters unstable, many ways to stabilize them; algae out break, look into nutrient control; massive die offs, remove all existing livestock and look into the cause... Things dun happen without a reason and likewise a solution would most likely be present. Restarting only brings about a short term illusion that everything is under control... Ultimately the same issue like nutrients, etc will come back again... If u do not learn to tackle them, i foresee a restart every now and then. The nitrification process will always be present whether in an old system or new... Its the ability to recognise, understand and solve the problem that gives you the mileage to maintain a stable system... Nonetheless, your tank your call... Im just sharing my 2 cents This hobby may not be tough but i believe most would agree, to make any progress in it, u require a fair amount of dedication and patience. Have fun bro! Quote :: just a noob :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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